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  Donation Arrangement, is it Worldwide?

  by wanderlustguy in

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  may be a dumb question, but are all countries on the "donation arrangement" with regard to literature?

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  i allways talk to jw's in the field misery. and i allways ask what country they Are from . and now much the wt costs $$$$$$ in their old country. in the last few years. jw's have told me, it's still sold for a fixed price. in central america, jamaica, and some africian countries. this was straight from jw's mouths. i would also guess the wt is still selling for a fixed price. in eastern europe, and many asian countries.
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  Bethel Downsizing Again!

  by zack in

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  i do not know if any of you have heard.

  no one in my congo.

  other than one other elder on the body has heard:.

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  I wonder how much it costs for 1 person in Bethel. ; ; Food, Shelter, laundry, health etc............. ; ; ; ; I don't know what all is provided. ; Shampoo, deodorant??? //////////////////////////////////////// IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. MANY POSTERS HERE BEFORE. CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT TAKES . @$5000-$10000 a year to house and feed a bethelite. my figures are between $6000-$8500 per year. TALK ABOUT CHEAP LABOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CAN ANY ONE SAY PAMANIAN SWEAT SHOP...
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  Bethel Downsizing Again!

  by zack in

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  i do not know if any of you have heard.

  no one in my congo.

  other than one other elder on the body has heard:.

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  1. "Awake!" magazine, published by Watchtower, reports that The Bible is the most widely distributed book in the world with an estimated five billion copies. It has been translated into no fewer than 2355 languages" /////////////////// this is an interesting point. and true. as usual the wt is deceptive. LEAVING THE READER WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT THE WT PRINTS 5 BILLION COPIES OF THE BIBLE EVERY YEAR IN OVER 2300 LANGUAGES... when in fact the wts admitts they they only print the bible in 31 languages. and i forget the number of bibles they print in a year. off the top of my head it's in the 10's of millions a year or less. i made a big point out of this info. to the tour guide at bethel. leting him know that it was the Americian bible society, in conjunction with the Gideons, and other church that are responciple for translating the bible into about 2500 languages. and that the gideons alone in 2003 placed over 59 million bibles. far out streching the work of the wtbts. this portion of my bethel tour was at about the half way mark. this 18 year vet. of bethel was perplexed. with the info i was slamming him with. i would guess he learned MORE from me in an hour. than in 18 years at bethel. it got to the point he was asking me questions.???????????'S
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  SERVICE REPORT 2005 : WATCHTOWER FEB 1ST 2006

  by BluesBrother in

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  i have had a quick look and found no references to this, so - here goes..as in the mag we picked up on sunday.. worldwide % increase over 2004 = 1.3%.

  memorial partakers 8524 (compared to 8570 in 2004).

  most european and nth american lands show pretty static figs - britain 1% increase, canada 0%, germany 0%, france 1%, usa 0%... but spare a thought for the inhabitants of zambia where 1 person in 90 is a reporting witness, must be hell going down to the local market!

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  david saidHey, preaching is exciting to me especially when someone opens the door and ask questions. ; However, in NYC you can have more success reaching and talking to people via the street or subway ministry. ;If the Bible truth does not excite you, then you will not be motivate to spread the Word////////////////////////////////////////// david; in live and work in nyc. i'm on the road all day long. i allways stop and talk to jw's. sometimes dozens a week. trust me 95% of jw's can't answer basic questions about wt doctrine. about 75% only hand out mag's and have nothing much to say. except some pre programed line they memorized. the one's that do talk. turn into zombies, baskets cases. or run down the street. after i ask some hard questions. i have 45 years experence with jw's . i set up jw's to tell me lies ( wt dogma) then expose them for LYING. TO THE POINT THEY TURN RED. AND GET PISSED OFF. if i'm in a good mood , and the jw don't act like a brainwashed dope pusher. i will teach them more truth about how the wt has conned then in 10 minutes . then they ever thought possible. remember i allway like to use one of the lastest wt mag's or last weeks book study to prove . that this jw has no idea. why he believes this propaganda is truth from god. my favorite subject is 1919 and the revelations grand climax book. no jw can explain how jesus is abaddon or that the 7 trumpets of rev. were blown at some 1920's wt convention. ie. the great tribulation. you have to be a complete DOPE TO BELIEVE WT TUESDAY NIGHT STUDY BOOKS. WITH OUT PROVING ALL THING THE WT CLAIMES IN THEM TRUE... JOHN
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  Library of Congress & the Watchtower publications...

  by Rabbit in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  does anybody know what is stored there ?

  i was under the impression that all periodicals and books published, at least in the usa, were stored there.. so-o, if they would have all the 'old stuff', wouldn't that be an interesting thing to point out to active jw's ?

  the one's who don't think anything has been changed ?.

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  thanks leolaia; i figured as much. boy i haven't seen a microfilm machine since high school.
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  Help --Pre-JW Faithful and Discreet Slave??

  by lynnmelo in

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  hi, folks.

  for those who may not remember my previous posts, i'm someone who has been studying with the jw's for about two years but didn't commit (i.e., get baptized) because, as i thought then, i was just too selfish and cowardly to join up with the jw's.

  that's before i found this site and watched the dateline video on the child molestation problem.

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  http://www.jwinfoline.com/Page/audio2.htm there is a tape on this page that addresses your subject about the fds . it's about an hour long. and this woman is great. one of the only tapes i even like listening to. she really breaks it down. i've heard it about 20 x's when you get to the link above. schroll down to the tape called "THE WHEAT AND THE WEEDS" BY JOY VEINOT. i promise you . you will not be disappointed. and she's entertaining. again the best tape i've even heard on the fds and 1919 ,who was the fds for the last 2000 years. she covers it all. enjoy john
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  Library of Congress & the Watchtower publications...

  by Rabbit in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  does anybody know what is stored there ?

  i was under the impression that all periodicals and books published, at least in the usa, were stored there.. so-o, if they would have all the 'old stuff', wouldn't that be an interesting thing to point out to active jw's ?

  the one's who don't think anything has been changed ?.

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  am; i to get the idea that we can read golden age mag's from the library of congress. site. i tried clicking. but only got a listing of dates etc. i think i'm missing something here. any help. please. john
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  What Happened to the Downloaded Info from Kents Site?

  by NewLight2 in

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  i thought that someone(s) were working on getting that info back up on the internet.

  if it is up and running, where is it at?

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  there is no question kent's site. was in the TOP 5- X JW SITE'S. THE info i learner there, most of it is very hard to come by. i've spent 100's of hours on the watchtower observer. and still most likey only read about half of his site. i'm sure someone has downloaded . or saved the contents of WATCHTOWEROBSERVER.ORG. if i recall correctly kent was asking only $500 to package all of his site. for some x jw group to take over. and i offered $50-$100 to help keep it on line. i have no computer skills. but i'm sure the contents of kent's site. can return to the internet. it's all about $$$$$$ and someone that can . handle how to HOST IT again. if we all get off our fat asses and give $20 each . we can save great sites like QUOTES AND WATCHTOWEROBSERVER.ORG , and get them hosted in iraq or timbuk tu... john P.S. KEEP IN MIND THAT ANYONE THAT HAS DOWNLOADED OR BURNED CD'S OF ANY INFO FROM THESE SITES THAT THE WT HAS SHUT DOWN. WILL HELP NO ONE BUT YOURSELF. IF THE INFO IS NOT PUT BACK UP IN THE NET TO HELP OTHERS. AS IT HAS HELPED 1000'S HERE. i'm getting a little tired of hereing about all these great computer programers , internet know-it alls etc. we x jw's have here. yet when the shit hit's the fan. the wt just rolls over us. like a STEAMROLLER. and no one does shit. but talk... john
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  Warning to the Watch Tower - Mirror of Truth

  by phoibos_2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  they will never prevent the truth about their satanic religion.

  http://watchtower-quotes.ath.cx/ .

  keep cool .

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  nice work. now if some one could bring back kent's watchtower observer site which i would guess had about 50x's more info than the great quotes site. john
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  why do witnesses call the new testament "greek scriptures"?

  by in a new york bethel minute in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know how the witnesses managed to demonize the expression, "new testament/old testament"?

  my jw mother said "it's because when you call the hebrew scriptures the old testament, it makes them sound out of date, but they're really not because there is so much we can learn from blah blah blah blah blah blah".

  any thoughts?.

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  the wt calls them the greek scriptures because IT'S ALL GREEK TO THEM. LOL